Review Of Models, By Mark Manson

by Frost on July 3, 2012

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Arakawa July 5, 2012 at 8:23 pm

… damn, that’ll learn me to stop drafting comments from iPhones. As I was going to say…

It’s very simple. There’s a modern neurosis where people are constantly concerned with the appearance of the thing and not the substance. Curing yourself of it is an uphill struggle – I would know.

In the example of working out, there is a proliferation of workout guides which aim for the appearance of strength and coordination (huge, bulging muscles) without addressing the issue of actual strength and coordination. The guy who wrote ‘Convict Conditioning’ tears into this genre of literature particularly viciously, but in the grand scheme of things the big-muscle guys are quite admirable. Even they are leagues above the countless people who aim for the appearance of working out (long hours put in doing *whatever* exercise-ey) without checking to see if they’re getting any benefit whatsoever from the investment.

In the example of learning foreign languages, there is a proliferation of people who take absolutely worthless language lessons or the even more laughable Rosetta Stones or consume other pointless nostrums, and don’t worry about maximizing their exposure to, you know, the actual information inherent in the language, via either actual native speakers of the language, or media intended for the native speakers.

And in the example of scoring women, there is no one quite as dangerous (to himself) as a guy who goes into the field without a clear idea of who he is, what he wants, and how he’s going to get it. You want to get laid as much as possible with a minimum of ideology? Great! The Chateau has you covered — just be sure to check any pleasant delusions about the fairer sex at the door. Do you want to pursue more meaningful relations with women, for some specific definition of meaningful that makes sense for you? Well, then, you’ve got your work cut out for you, as you’ll have to mix honesty and manipulation, infatuation and detachment in precisely the right proportion to get her to abandon the default societal ‘frame’ of the relationship (which will inevitably be screwed up no matter how much everyone is ‘themselves’)… and get her to agree to a frame that you find reasonable, perhaps without realizing that she’s done so. This is not something that’s covered in a book such as ‘Day Bang’, because it’s *hard* and moreover it conflicts mightily with the actual short term goal of getting laid — where to some extent the default societal ‘frame’ can be made to work to your benefit.

At the centre of the relationship is the question — what is the substantive basis? Who gives what and who gets what, short term and long term? X-raying the modern off-the-shelf relationship — whether that be marriage, boyfriend-girlfriend limbo, friends with benefits or whatever — with this question has a tendency to give one the creeping horrors, because people are mostly chasing the appearance of relations that made sense in the context of days long, long ago, but now…

Arakawa Seijio July 5, 2012 at 8:01 pm

It’s very simple. There’s a modern neurosis where people are constantly concerned with the appearance of the thing and not the substance.

In the example of working out, people prefer … .

In the example of learning new languages, many people prefer to take worthless lessons and curriculae

Randy July 4, 2012 at 1:12 am

I really enjoyed Models and I’m glad to see it getting some credit. Great review =)

FFY July 5, 2012 at 11:50 pm

Awesome, dude. Glad you liked your own book

Randy July 13, 2012 at 10:33 am

I didn’t write Models but I’ve been a huge PM fan for a long time.

Bronan the Barbarian! July 5, 2012 at 11:58 pm

Randy, my son is missing and all you can worry about is drugs and fuckin’ cheeseburgers?


Randy July 13, 2012 at 10:48 am

That was fucking hilarious. Is that a T.V. show?

Kwyjibo July 3, 2012 at 8:39 am

Ive enjoyed reading Postmasculine for a while now, and it’s interesting to see him getting increasing love from the manosphere.

Mark was the guy who put the nail in the coffin of the whole ‘alpha/beta’ bullshit distinction that appeals to nerds on the Internet, I’d assumed the manosphere would hate him.

Top guy.

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