Don’t Get Married, Part 4: Alternatives To Marriage For The Modern Man

by Frost on November 23, 2011

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Explore Nature November 28, 2011 at 10:57 am

Marriage is an agreement between a man and a woman with responsibilities of each other. However it is based on sexual attachment and the sexual attachment is depending on the gender specifications. Men must be masculine and women must be feminine, then the concepts of marriage and family will be active and successful.

http://spiritofnature99.blogspot.com/

Mikey November 27, 2011 at 12:34 pm

“‘sperm bank’ option? Easiest way ever to ‘father’ dozens of children”

Holy shit! genius.

Orange November 24, 2011 at 3:51 am

Where the fuck is the ‘sperm bank’ option? Easiest way ever to ‘father’ dozens of children without much effort. Just donate multiple vials of your sperm to a couple of sperm banks in the US, Canada and Europe et voila you’ll probably end up with more children than you ever thought possible. There was a newspaper article a few years ago on a guy who came to know that the sperm he donated fathered over 100 kids…

No chance of getting pulled for child support either.

Anonymous November 24, 2011 at 12:15 am

“If you really want to have some “bastard children,” then focus on childless, possibly single, women at around 30. They hear their biological clock ticking at 100dB and may even pull the condom off your cock before they mount you, and not “because it feels better.””

Only do this if all your bases are covered and you are bulletproof, that is to say unassailable in terms of assets and income. Setting aside the point that younger, healthier women tend to produce healthier children, these types of starting-to-get-desperate women are also the ones who will try to make the most claims on you. They have played the carousel, and are looking not just for a kid, but a provider as well.

Anonymous November 24, 2011 at 12:12 am

“Get a surrogate. Through agencies, you can find a woman to father your child; like women have sperm donors, we can use wound and egg donors. After the birth of the child it’s all yours. 100% custody and no one can ever take him from you*.”

* DHS, Child Services and other restrictions may apply.

But yes, this is definitely an option if children, and not a non-marriage LTR is your goal.

One thing to also be careful about is the Common Law marriage statues (palimony). I believe this varies by state/country, but after a certain amount of time living together, a woman does in many cases gain a legal claim similar to that of actual marriage. One way to avoid this is to maintain separate residences (mailing addresses, utility billing, various registrations, etc. – make sure you have a solid paper trail) and just ‘stay over’ at each other’s place for periods of time. However, realize that even in this case the mother of your child will have some legal claim on child support and even the rights to ‘her’ residence if owned outright, or ‘maintenance’ payments if it can be shown that you have been supporting her.

Note that this does not apply to the surrogate-without-exclusive-LTR situation mentioned above.

As with all things, caveat emptor.

Aaron Sleazy November 23, 2011 at 4:59 pm

That’s an interesting post. Let me just comment on this bit:

“A man who aspires to sire some bastard children to covertly carry his genetic legacy into the late 21st century and beyond would do well to focus on the following niches: 1) Poor girls, 2) Married women whose husbands’ race matches your own, and perhaps the stridently religious. I have no experience with the latter though, and suspect they and their communities may be more trouble than they’re worth.”

First of all, poor girls are not a “niche”, they are the majority. Of course, it depends on how you define poor, but in the US hardly anybody is without debt, and they use credit cards to fuel their lifestyle. Your other option strikes me as “keyboard jockeying”.

If you really want to have some “bastard children,” then focus on childless, possibly single, women at around 30. They hear their biological clock ticking at 100dB and may even pull the condom off your cock before they mount you, and not “because it feels better.”

anonymous November 23, 2011 at 11:46 am

continuing from the previous post, for the player who does want children, it would make sense to marry his woman after she gets pregnant. And possibly after the first child is born, depending on the health insurance situation. Her financial security is guaranteed by the state either way, so with this, the player doesn’t over-invest in any one woman who can’t or won’t bear him any children. Yes, there is some monies that can be protected by avoiding the government contract, but the big money is when there is child support involved. And for those that do have children, the risk of paying child support is the cost of doing business.

anonymous November 23, 2011 at 11:05 am

why are there so many posts out there titled “don’t get married” ? The real question is whether to have children or not. If you have children with a woman, you are pwned, with marriage or without. If you can manage to keep a woman and children in orbit, there is a chance maintaining a frugal household. But if the woman splits, and the state steps in to manage child support, lets just say that you better like your job / career.

As for surrogate, that angle isn’t very attractive for a number of reasons. For one, the costs are extremely high, both for the baby itself, and then outsourcing its care to strangers until baby is old enough for government school. And its not scalable either. You might be able to afford one, but definitely not three. If you have that much money to throw at the problem, then you might as well risk it with a woman who will bond with the child, and possible her husband. And at least the future won’t be burdened by uncomfortable questions.

DW November 23, 2011 at 9:36 am

Great article, man. Its good that you stated that most men want children at some point; its an obvious point, but still, this is a little fact that most PUAs and Game sites fail to mention.

whatconsensus November 23, 2011 at 9:25 am

F0r unmarried fatherhood: You left out one important option that can help you avoid many of the pitfalls that you outlined: Get a surrogate. Through agencies, you can find a woman to father your child; like women have sperm donors, we can use wound and egg donors. After the birth of the child it’s all yours. 100% custody and no one can ever take him from you.

Johnny Milfquest November 23, 2011 at 5:39 am

Solid post. Airtight logic.

I’d love to hear the SoCons objections to this. I’m pulling up a chair and some popcorn.

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