Game Isn’t Rocket Science

by Frost on September 2, 2011

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Z September 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm

Well put, sir.

Greg September 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Sly, the core attribute of an alpha is that he is who is is without faking himself to be liked by others. To achieve this state you must be told to fake yourself less and be more authentic. Game, which advises the opposite, drives men deeper and deeper into their betanes.

Sly September 6, 2011 at 8:36 am

Hey Greg,

did you ever see any of the RSD (real social dynamics) stuff, especially Tyler’s Blueprint Decoded? It’s a perfect example of how game can be used to turn betas into alphas without all the faking, peacocking and using canned routines? I suggest you go and watch it.

Another reason why I’m pro-game: the foundations of game rest in scientific fields such as psychology, evolutionary psychology, sociology, biology etc. Personally, game enabled me to understand women and their behavior, as well as my behavior and how it affects women, and has sent me on a path of self-development in hopes of realizing my manly potential. There is nothing wrong with that.

I say that game is merely a tool, a collection of knowledge, and it’s up to the individual how he uses it. If you’re so anti-game, it probably means you haven’t been using it correctly.

Greg September 6, 2011 at 1:24 am

Pechorin, what youre talking about is simple self-esteem, which is the antithesis of game – every think why its called *game* and not self-esteem?

You are making a common mistake – who says *what you are doing right now* is being authentic? It almost certainly isnt. The contrast is not between game telling you to change and anti-game telling you to do *just what you have always been doing*, but between game, which tells you to fake yourself in a new, *better* (to be liked), way, and anti-gamers, who tell you to change from being the fake person you are now as a result of societys teaching and become who you REALLY are, and the last way to become who you REALLY are is to do game, which tells you to fake what you think, fake what you feel, and fake what you believe.

The example in this post, of a guy not liking his wifes coffee and telling her, has nothing to do with game, it is an example of a guy being authentic and genuine about what he REALLY thinks – thats the opposite of game. Game would be a guy telling his wife her coffee sucks or is *average* even if its excellent just to keep her on her toes and make her doubt herself. You think Im joking? Check out almost any game blog – roissy, roosh – if you dont believe me. Dude, if you like the coffee, be a man and say it, if you dont, be a man and say it, dont play games.

I would be the last to deny that modern men need to CHANGE what they are currently doing and evolve from that state – but towards GREATER authenticity, towards being honest and genuine about their true thoughts, feelings, and values, and game is the last thing that is going to get you there.

Everyone is so afraid of being themselves because what if who they *are* sucks? Well let me ask you, who would you respect more, the guy in battle who is honest and genuine about being afraid or the guy who is quacking inside and puts on a macho front? And who do you think is more likely to run when the bullets fly, the guy who faced his fear honestly, or the guy who is presenting a desperate front to the world? And who do you think is more likely to eventually evolve away from his fear, the guy who faces it honestly, or the guy who is desperate to pretend it does not exist?

The truth is even if you do *suck*, so to speak, you will be more respected if you are genuine about it than if you put on a shaky facade, and you are more likely to develop out of it, if possible. Think about it.

Pechorin September 5, 2011 at 11:38 pm

@ Jordan: Associating game with faking yourself is tempting but wrong. Why? The anti-game position is that I should “just be myself.” But what is myself? If I’ve been raised in a way that didn’t fulfill my nature as a man, I am not my true self. Game is about recovering your true fulfilled masculine self from the poisons of bad upbringing and an anti-masculine culture. (It’s also about taking a realistic look at how women behave today, and what attracts them.)

A lot of people struggle with this argument, because of the notion of “true self.” It’s not fashionable today to believe that we have a nature, an essence, as men. Liberal individualism teaches us that we choose our identities, and denies that there’s anything natural about manliness. It says that the only nature of manliness that there is is whatever men happen to be. It says that it’s meaningless to distinguish between men who have fulfilled their masculinity and those who have not. This is wrong, and before you progress in game you have to realize why it’s wrong.

Susan Walsh September 4, 2011 at 7:57 pm

Good post. I’ve often thought that Kate and Petruchio are a great example of game. Coincidentally, I just cited them for a great example of how conflict between two people builds sexual tension. You can bet that when Petruchio finally had her, there were fireworks. More satisfying that the requisite 7 hours I daresay.

Frost September 6, 2011 at 12:03 pm

Shakespeare is the man. Completely ridiculous that our education system forces him on kids too young to appreciate him though. It also helps that I’ve been reading enough old books lately that I can understand his English much more easily. Which post was that, btw? I don’t seem to remember it.

Sly September 6, 2011 at 2:52 pm

I’ve had Shakespeare’s complete works sitting on my shelf for couple of months now; I guess I need to catch up with my reading.

Btw, Frost, most of the old authors had deep knowledge of interpersonal relationships and human nature in general. Have you ever read anything from Robert E. Howard? Conan is probably the best example of how a natural acts – read any paragraph where he talks to women, and you’ll see what I mean.
And of course, I mustn’t forget Oscar Wilde – he is probably one of the few men that truly understood the dynamics between men and women.

Sly September 4, 2011 at 5:14 am

“The reason why the men of our generation are so awful with women – so terrible, that any man with a modicum of confidence and social acumen can clean up because of the lack of competition – is that we’ve been brought up in a culture that degrades and stifles our masculinity. We have no male role models, often no fathers, and it’s turned us into a bunch of women with dicks.”

This. I’m new to Game, but what I’ve come to realize is that because of lack of strong male role models, social conditioning and generally feminist propaganda I, like most modern males, have grown up to be a complete beta. Since I’ve discovered Game, instead of focusing on memorizing dozens of openers, routines, or dressing up like a peacock, I took another route: I’ve decided to get rid off all that bullshit beliefs in my head that have been drilled into me since childhood.

There is certainly merit to the kind of Game Mystery and co. teach aka “outer game”, but I think it mostly comes down to the “inner game” aka your beliefs and mindset. The beliefs an average male today has about women, relationships, sex etc. are simply dreadful.

Nice write up, Frost. Cheers.

Simon September 3, 2011 at 3:13 am

Hahahaha, Jordan, absolute cracker mate. So many men have bought into this game bullshit, without examining the premises it rests upon.

Intent is everything. You can either live like a man, or pretend to.

Frost September 6, 2011 at 11:55 am

Simon and Jordan, do you both not care at all about sleeping with women? I’m honestly not tooling you here, genuine question. If the answer is no, than I respect your position that it is unmanly to change your behaviour at all to achieve this goal.

For the vast majority of men however, banging hot girls is an important part of life. I’d even argue that most men can’t focus on anything else until they get this need met. What’s wrong with studying the behaviours that lead to success? How is that fake? Do you prepare for job interviews, work out, or practice at the sports you play? Are those activities not fake as well?

Personally, I’m a man who chases after what he wants and gets better at achieving goals by learning and practicing the skills that make those goals come easier. In that sense, closing my eyes and plugging my ears to Game would be very un-genuine of me.

Jordan September 2, 2011 at 8:41 pm

Oh I know if I just go through enough e-education programs I’ll finally understand how faking yourself to be liked by others is really the essence of masculinity….I’ll eventually get it, it’s just that pesky little thing logic hasn’t been fully killed in me yet.

a September 2, 2011 at 7:46 pm

It’s OK to be confused Jordan, everyone was at some point. Keep at it and you’ll understand eventually.

Jordan September 2, 2011 at 7:10 pm

Oh, thats what game is? Because I thought game was more about faking yourself and pretending to be someone you aren’t in order to be liked by others. Silly me.

I thought if your wife makes bad coffee and you tell her you don’t like it you are just being authentic and being yourself, which gamers say you should never, ever, be.

I thought game was more like if your wife makes GOOD coffee you have tell her you don’t like it in order to show her how tough you are.

It’s funny how I misunderstood that – now you are telling me game is just being authentic and being yourself. Funny.

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